Aight so I’ve been thinking long and hard about Talias fighting style thanks to a prompt from the homie @hadariwizard and I think I have enough figured out to finally write something on it
It’s a bit difficult for me to figure out power scaling. I don’t want to say that she should be stronger or better than another character because I could be totally wrong about it. But I think she should be on par with Batman when it comes to her capabilities as a fighter. I think she could be easily compared to characters like Black Widow or Gamora from Marvel comics.
Like for one just look at them real quick
Then compare the fact that they’re both trained from young ages RELENTLESSLY to be basically living weapons. They’re both experts at various forms of combat, mastery over various weapons from melee to firearms, expert tacticians with a mind made for battle, like I can literally keep going.
And now Gamora and Talia
Gamora is raised by the mad Titan Thanos. Talia is raised by The demon Ra’s Al Ghul. These men manipulate their daughters into aiding in their evil plans, and for the most part these two women desperately want to make their fathers proud. Raised and trained to be weapons for their fathers, occasionally shown affection and love to keep them on their side. Not to mention them both having a sister who’s tried to kill them.
As for her comparisons to Batman, that just seems clear. Talia has more training than him, and has trained for a longer time. They both receive training from the same/similar people. From what I’ve seen, she’s not really seen as a person who fights frequently, so people tend to underestimate her capabilities. In reality, it just makes her seem stronger in my eyes.
Talia knows when a fight is needed and when she can get her way with WORDS. She’s clever, and a master manipulator. Like I’m talking Azula level liar. She can use her wit to get her way without ever having to lift a finger, but when she DOES fight she is a DEMON. Come on now!! I think as annoying as it is to be underestimated, it also has a very clear advantage, and Talia uses that effectively. Never let your enemy know the full extent of your power.
One fighting scene I keep imagining in my head is her in this long flowing dress with a slit down the side. She’s got one hand behind her back and the other holds a chalice of red wine. Three thugs move to attack her and she uses her legs to swiftly take them down, never spilling a drop, looking down at them and taking a sip from her drink.
Another is one where she’s fighting alongside Batman and has promised to not kill anyone so she’s taking down these armed guards and dismantling their weapons at the same time, then using the pieces as a blunt object. That sort of stuff has been done before I just think it’s fun. Like she can definitely take a gun apart blindfolded and put it back together in 30 seconds.
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I think at first she wasn’t truly in love with Bruce. She found him intriguing and quite handsome, but mostly only pursued him because her father wanted her to. She wasn’t the type of woman who busied her mind with dreams of romance, what was the point? She had dreams of running a nation, running the world. Not dominating it, but providing for it. Tending to the land and it’s people. Ra’s knew how to get under her skin. How to coerce her into aiding him, even when she watched his mind slowly become corrupt. It just made her even more busy. So as the longing for romance grew and grew, he found more and more ways to tie her down. There’s no running away from the League of Assassins. Ra’s made it clear multiple times. If she wants to be free from this life, there’s only one way out.
Al Ghul.
Wicked Intent
She’s living my dream right in front of my eyes.
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What are your guys thoughts on the Al Ghuls having a connection to magic/potentially being magic users themselves? Do you prefer the scientific approach to Lazarus, or the magical side? Would you like to see Damian, Talia, Ra’s, or Jason have some sort of magic as a result of their connection to the Lazarus magic?
Personally, I wish DC would do more with it. I think there’s a way to give them a slight magic connection without it making them over powered. The idea that the dramatic use of Lazarus has made it bind with their blood and thus always with them is so interesting.
The way I think about it is just that Ra’s was more in tune with the scientific side of things, sticking with more grounded realistic ideologies, which makes his disconnect with magic very realistic. Thus Talia would be rather uninformed about that side of things until much later in her life. I really want to focus on her exploration of magic in the story I’m writing, hopefully that’s something people will be interested in seeing!
ALSO! Do you guys prefer Talia to use traditional weapons like swords, bow/arrows, etc or do you prefer her original choice of guns? I genuinely like to see a mix of them all, but I sort of prefer the traditional weaponry, despite my having drawn her with guns a few times. I think it shows how she has become more ingrained into the league over the years.
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I'm back on my Brutalia high. Here are some romantic things Bruce has said about and to Talia with sources:
Batman: Son of the Demon (1987)- Bruce described Talia as "The only woman I have ever loved"
Batman: Birth of the Demon (1992)- Bruce referred to Talia as "The love of my life"
Batman: Death and the maidens (2003)- Bruce described Talia as "The only woman I truly loved"
Batman: The dark knight #23.1 (2013)- Bruce was thinking about Talia and thought "The woman who owns my heart"
Batman Incorporated (2010)- "You're the only thing in my life that makes sense"
Batman: Hush (2002-2003)- "My heart belongs to you, Talia, now and forever"
Batman: Birth of the Demon (1992)- "You make me want to be a better man"
Batman: Birth of the Demon (1992)- "In your eyes, I see my future."
Batman: Birth of the Demon (1992)- "With you, I feel like I can be myself, Bruce, not Batman."
Batman: Son of the Demon (1987)- "Talia, you are my light in the darkness."
Batman: Birth of the Demon (1992)- . "With you, Talia, I've found my home."
Batman: Son of the Demon (1987)- "You are my salvation, Talia."
Batman: Birth of the Demon (1992)- "Every moment with you is a treasure, Talia."
Batman: Birth of the Demon (1992)- "Talia, you are the beating of my heart."
Batman Incorporated (2010)- "You are my greatest adventure, Talia."
Batman: Son of the Demon (1987)- "You are my destiny, Talia, and I wouldn't have it any other way."
Batman: Birth of the Demon (1992)- "In your arms, I find peace, Talia."
Batman Incorporated (2010)- "You are the fire in my soul, Talia."
Batman: Hush (2002-2003)- "My love for you knows no bounds, Talia."
Batman: Son of the Demon (1987)- "You are the missing piece of my soul, Talia."
Batman: Birth of the Demon (1992)- "With you, I feel complete, Talia."
Batman: Son of the Demon (1987)- "You are the queen of my heart, Talia."
Batman: Birth of the Demon (1992)- "For you, Talia, I would move heaven and earth."
Talia is Batman's greatest love and you can't tell me otherwise