Cas As Dean's Romantic Interest

Jensen's "Homophobia," the JIB Fiasco, and the Future of Destiel

“There wasn’t a whole lot of Dean and Cas storyline in Season 9.  Personally, I kind of enjoy that.  I think the whole Dean and Cas thing has gotten a little out of proportion. But that’s not to say… I think it’s a kindred spirit…  I think Cas finds identity with Dean…  I don’t think there’s anything secret to the relationship even though a lot of people wish there was.  I certainly know that Misha and I don’t play that, so…”

Just reading some of those lines I can see where peoples’ thoughts went.  Probably something like this (correct me if I’m wrong, but these are the exact thoughts that people have had that I’ve seen on the #destiel feed in response to this): “He doesn’t like Dean and Cas scenes!  He was happy that they were apart!  This makes me so sad.  He thinks it’s stupid and out of proportion?  I feel sick and hurt…  Does he think that we’re like that too?  Kindred spirits?!  That’s such a no homo!  It’s because he’s homophobic…  He finally said it.  I wish they had said it sooner so I wouldn’t have to go through all this hurt and pain.  Destiel is sunk.  Goodbye!” Now, I see where everyone is coming from, like I said before we take this seriously.  But I feel sometimes that when conventions come around, we’re so caught up in the marvel of being in their presence that we don’t really listen to what they say (which is hilarious if you think about it, because all we do is analyze their characters to death).  Now look at what he says and really analyze it.  “There wasn’t a whole lot of Dean and Cas storyline in Season 9.”  That is truth.  There wasn’t, in comparison to the last season and compared to the rest of the stuff going on in S9.  I know a lot of us were complaining about this, so what he says is truth here.  But nothing to get upset over.  We already know this bit.  “Personally I kind of enjoy that. I think the whole Dean and Cas thing has gotten a little out of proportion.”  Now this here is his thoughts and opinions on the matter.  This I think is where a lot of people got sad, because the actor doesn’t want their views to come true.  He thinks that the Destiel thing has “gotten a little out of proportion.”  That term “proportion” is the key word that tells us that he is not being homophobic.  Proportion insinuates that there is a balance, something is proportionate.  There needs to be a balance in everything including the Destiel ship.  I think when he refers to it being out of balance, he is NOT referring to people shipping it in general.  He is NOT referring to the fanart or fanfics.  I DO believe he is referring to the fact that people are so protective over it that they are willing to send hate mail and cyber bully actors, writers, directors, and even executives over it.  And I do agree with that.  Cyber bullying is NOT okay.  No form of bullying is.  I think he feels comforted and relieved that on the show there is less fodder to provide fans with.  He’s hoping that the intensity of the ship dies down a little so everyone doesn’t feel like they are- to quote Misha- “walking on eggshells.”  That gets tiring.  They don’t want to upset any of us.  But we get upset when we are not told what’s going on...  But we ALSO get upset when we are told what is going on.  They can’t win with us.  We don’t let them.  And that’s stressful to a show that actually tries it’s best to cater to the fans and who actually LIKE us (from what we can tell… I mean what other show has so many actors that treat us like people?).  He also laughs while he says this in the video (watch the full video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGb86J2iXQs).  He doesn’t sound disgusted.  He doesn’t sound like he thinks it’s a bad thing.  It sounds like he thinks it’s a bit ridiculous… you know… this huge positive and slightly intimidating reaction to the relationship that was never meant to happen in the first place?  He realizes how it sounds though when he finishes what he says and because he doesn’t want to upset anyone, he tries his best to be respectful and says:  “But that’s not to say… I think it’s a kindred spirit…  I think Cas finds identity with Dean…”  This again is his opinion.  He’s not saying that Cas and Dean don’t have a bond.  But he believes that bond to be less sexual and more kindred spirit.  Now, go look up synonyms for kindred spirit… Right now.  I’ll wait for you to come back. Find them?  Good.  THAT is HUGE!!!  Essentially he says that what Dean and Cas have is an alter ego, a confidante, a companion, a friend, a “heart’s desire,” a help mate, a kindred soul, a lover, one’s promised, a partner, a true love, a soul mate.  And for me, when I watched the video and saw that he said this, I was SO EXCITED.  This is how I’ve always viewed Dean and Cas.  Soul mates.  Someone to be with forever, who get each other, and support each other.  I feel that this is more beautiful than sex or romance.  Cas also does find identity with Dean.  Look at all the things he’s adopted that Dean likes and does.  But don’t you also idolize the one you connect with most?  I sure do.  My husband is amazing and while I have my own stuff, I do admire him as much as he admires me and we sometimes adopt each other’s likes and habits.

And if you believe this, then what he says next makes all the more sense.  “I don’t think there’s anything secret to the relationship even though a lot of people wish there was.  I certainly know that Misha and I don’t play that, so…”  There ISN’T anything secret to it.  We already know Cas loves Dean and Dean loves Cas.  That they would do anything for each other.  That they would die for each other.  That they are kindred spirits.  This isn’t secret.  The secret he is referring to, I believe, is the sex and the romance aspect that “a lot of people wish there was.”  Dean’s never been one for romance and for him to have a secret romance with Cas I feel and I think he also feels would be OOC.  It’s the same reason that the “I love you” was taken out.  It’s not a no homo.  It’s keeping him in character.  Dean, I think (maybe if I’m remembering correctly) said “I love you” to Sam once.  Once!  Sammy, the person he cares for most in this world he has said it to ONCE (if that).  It’s not Dean’s style to say he loves people.  He just shows it by trying to keep them safe, by sacrificing his own needs for theirs.  So romance for Dean is not something that I’ve ever seen happening.  I mean, even with Lisa and Cassie?  He was never mushy or gushy with them.  So why would he be with anyone else?  Canonically he did love them.  Being romantic is just not who Dean is.  Dean is not good at the “love and… love” thing.  He said so himself.  That doesn’t mean he’s not a romantic at heart or that he does not love.  Just that he’s not the type to express it.   The sexual thing…  Dean has had one hook up recently and before that he didn’t have anyone for like a few seasons.  Dean is pretty much done with sex.  He’s done the do and it’s getting old when there is always the “adios.”  So what he’s saying is there is no secret romance or sex life between them, not that there isn’t love.  He’s not looking for sex.  He’s not looking for romance.  Dean is looking for someone to just be at his side.  A kindred spirit.  And that’s not secret.  Side note: notice that he says “a lot of people.”  He’s acknowledging that Destiel shippers are not a small part of the fandom.  He knows there’s a lot of us out there.    And as far as him and Misha not playing their relationship like that?  I believe he’s referring to the fact that he’s not playing like Dean has secret sex and snuggle time with Cas.  He’s referring to the fact that he’s not playing Dean as wanting to bang or cuddle with Cas at all (because like I said… Dean isn’t looking for sex or romance… he’s looking for his soul mate).  That doesn’t mean he doesn’t play Dean as loving Cas and having a special bond with him.  Now in reference to when they take things out like the “I love you” and the naked Deans… I don’t see this as them being “no homo.”  It was written there.  They wanted to go for it! This to me seems like a case where the writers are eager to give us something that we want (because they love us) and the actors are trying to keep their characters, in character about it.  I think this is what Jared meant when he said, “We didn’t want to make the episode seem like it was… like we’re hinting towards something.  Because that would have ruined the show to make it about something it wasn’t about.”  Now this can definitely be taken as “he thinks gay relationships would ruin the show.”  But again that’s not how I see what he meant.  Putting pictures of naked Dean would have hinted to us that Cas was sexually attracted to Dean and that Cas and Deans’ relationship was going to be a large part of the show.  Cas is in love with Dean, but we haven’t seen anything saying he was sexually attracted (yet).  And they didn’t want to lead us on about how big a part their relationship is in the show so they cut it.  I mean wouldn’t you be upset if you got that scene and then the rest was downplayed, because there’s just not enough room in the show to really expand on that?  Cas isn’t looking for sex either.  He’s not looking for romance just like Dean.  He’s just looking for Dean himself.  Nothing more, nothing less.  Personally, I don’t think they’re setting Dean up for a romance with Cas…  I think they’re setting them up to be soul mates.  Soul mates don’t have to have sex or hold hands to be in love.  They don’t need that because their love is stronger than physical affection.   Most importantly, and I feel a lot of people miss this… is that physical affection isn’t something that either of them need.  Their needs as individuals are not physical…  They’re emotional.  They’ve always been emotional needs.  Emotional can be physical, but what they are looking for is someone who accepts them and loves them unconditionally.  Someone to be with them forever.  Dean doesn’t do romance and Cas doesn’t know how.  So they show each other their love in manly gruff ways of sacrifice and sharing pieces of their lives.  And that’s how they best fill each other’s voids.  It’s not the same way that we usually show love, but this is the best most in character way the actors feel that Dean and Cas would show.      

Now that bit about ruining the show?  He’s not saying that Destiel would ruin the show because they’re gay.  He’s saying that it would ruin the show, because their relationship is not what the show is about.  It’s a small part of a bigger picture.  I can’t say the show is about two brothers’ anymore.  It’s more than that.  It’s about saving people, hunting things, free will, survival, and finding happiness somewhere in the middle of that.  So Dean and Cas’ relationship is a very small part of a larger picture, even though it is there.  They still find times to throw us hints now and again when they can, but by throwing out huge hints to it would make the show into something it’s not… the “Will-They-Won’t-They Dean and Cas show.”  Or just the “Dean and Cas Show” if they ever went through with it.  To bring them together and do their relationship justice, they would have to do character development based on their relationship after it was made canon and again… there’s just not time in the show for that.  It would have to be something small, sweet, background, and soulful… kind of like what we’ve been getting in S8 and parts of S9 and I'm guessing in S10. WE WOULD LOVE A DEAN AND CAS SHOW and if we got everything that we wanted (declaration of love, kiss, dates, consummation, etc), that’s what it would be and that’s not what Supernatural is.  So they give us small bits here and there, but ultimately that’s all they can do for now if they want to be true to the show’s purpose... ...To kill things (including our favorite characters).  lol 

And again, to clarify.  I AM NOT TRYING TO CHANGE YOUR OPINION ON ANYTHING.  I am stating what my thoughts, opinions, and beliefs on this matter are.  I am sharing, not dictating or telling people what to do.  I will offer the notion to stay positive and love yourself and treasure what you believe in, because that’s really what matters but it’s up to you to do what you will with that.  I think we’re a stellar community who sometimes fights like family does, but overall love each other and I feel that we should support one another… especially those that have fostered this fandom to begin with:  the creators, writers, cast, and crew of Supernatural. 

Congrats if you got to the end of this!  It was 10 pages long and I hope that if you were feeling down about anything that was said that maybe this made you feel at least a tad bit better?  :)   If not, I gives you a cyber cookie.  They’re delicious.  Just take a byte and imagine how delicious it is!  Okay I’m done being corny.  Anyways, I hope all of you feel better and try not to take things too hard.  You’re wonderful people and don’t let anyone convince you differently!!  

Cas and Sleeping With a Women

I personally think it's important for Cas to explore with this chick.  We know that he's mentioned that he is indifferent to sexual orientation as an angel, but now as a human I think that in order for him to develop as a character he does need to explore this sexuality in all manners.

One issue is if the writers had him sleep only with Dean then he would be perceived by a lot of the general audience as gay (which they already think of him as the "gay angel", but that's besides the point), but it's not true based off of what he has said about sexual orientation. He is indifferent to it and that needs to be reiterated especially to those who don't keep track of everything Cas says the way we do.    :)

Another issue is that Cas is newly human and he hasn't seen Dean while he's been completely human before.  To say that as soon as Cas sees Dean as human he wants to suddenly jump his bones is a little too much new info to dish out.  Has he shown interest in sex before?  Yes, but having a boner and kissing someone because you saw how it was done on TV is different than actually experiencing the act of sex for yourself actively participating in it.  

The writers have to introduce the idea of Cas as a new sexual being and then introduce the idea of him with Dean, which means that Cas and Dean aren't a thing in the first part of the equation.  They can't be for the story of them getting together to be worthy of their story up until now.  So for now we get part 1 where Cas finally has sex, explores that route.

Then he can make more connections based off of how he has felt.  Like "Oh...  this is how I felt when I did this with that girl... Oh.... I feel this way about Dean... Ooooooooooooh"  

Otherwise he'd be confused about what he is feeling.  Remember this is all new to him and what he feels for Dean he may not fully get the implications of unless he experiences something similar to someone else and can compare and contrast them.  

...... and to be frankly honest if he ended up sleeping with Dean first he would never get the chance to explore that other side to him (   =P  ), he would forever be curious as to what would that be like?  His curiosity could lead to infidelity and a road I know the fandom would throw a fit over.

Anyways, just my personal thoughts on the topic.  There's more to it, but that's just the basics as I have to go to work now.  Cas being with a girl first isn't going to be the end of Destiel, I promise.  But it could in fact even be a jump shoot to it :)  Stay positive everyone!

Hannibal S4 and Beyond Wishes

I so badly want a continuation of Hannibal where Will and Hannibal explore their “murder husbands” lifestyle and Will falls deeper into the rabbit hole, so much to the point where Hannibal feels Will is losing control of things and Will is fine with it, completely consumed by his new being.  It gets them into trouble, Will is killed and Hannibal rots in an institution knowing that no one in the world understands him the way Will could, there is no one waiting for him,  no one to share his life with...  until years later a young FBI agent -Clarice Starling- comes along and Hannibal finds himself for the first time haunted by the ghost of Will. 

masc ppl with long hair and femme ppl with short hair, i love you

Dean and Cas Interactions S10

I personally think that the lack of Dean and Cas interactions or mentions in the second part of season 10 have more to do with the Mark of Cain rather than the actors and/or writers. They gave us a bunch of stuff in the beginning with Cas pining for Dean and the shout outs in the musical episode.  We have Dean even asking Cas to end him if he gets out of control and Cas just generally being worried about him.  And of course the Cas/Collette parallels.   Dean’s been a little off this season because of the Mark of Cain and having been a demon at the beginning of the season.  He’s struggling with it.  The worse he gets, the more he plays it off and tries to subtly distance himself from the people he cares about.   That’s why I feel there’s no “chemistry” or “eye-sex” going on between them.  Dean’s not doing well.  At all.  He has WAY more important things going on with him than whether or not he is in love with Cas or Cas is in love with him.   When he was feeling decent, we got some of that fluff.  But now that he is just going downhill, he can’t be bothered.  Personally I feel that if Dean wasn’t behaving this way towards everyone (not just Cas), I would be a little confused when shit hits the fan with him especially if he was showing that lovely chemistry and having a lot of moments with Cas up until that point.  That chemistry shows that Dean is feeling normal and okay.  The chemistry is muted when he’s not.  If Dean was acting normal, the characters and viewers would have no reason to suspect that he is handling this poorly and should the MoC flare up, it would seem forced.   Now, they’ve always got problems in their life, so why didn’t that prevent Dean from making goo-goo eyes at Cas during the Apocalypse?  Or when Sam was soulless?  Or when the leviathans were wreaking havoc?  Or when the angels fell?  Or when Sam was possessed by an angel?   The reason is because during all that time, Dean was sure of his personality.  He knew what he was and wasn’t.  He had control of himself.  Yeah, he might have had nightmares or be guilt tripping about his time in hell or sad about all the death that follows the Winchesters.  But he was still Dean.  And he was human. Now Dean is dealing with something out of his control, that is forcing him to be a certain way, it’s changing him.  He was a DEMON and he tried to KILL SAM.  The MoC is trying to make that happen again.  He doesn’t trust himself not to cause damage.  That’s why he asked Cas to kill him if it got to that point.  He’s trying to fight it, but he’s losing.  He is not doing well.   It’s because of that compromised state of mind that he’s in he isn’t being normal Dean and hence not creating a normal chemistry with Cas. That doesn’t mean that he doesn’t still care about Cas and Sam and Charlie.  It just means that right now, that’s not even a concern in his head.  He just doesn’t want to hurt anybody even if that means his death or him leaving forever.   That’s why I feel that there hasn’t been as much interaction between Cas and Dean in the second half of this season. After becoming human again, Dean felt reasonably well and we got some normal Dean that made everybody happy.  Then he’s just kind of faded away because he is basically relapsing.   This is just how I see it and why I personally am not discouraged.  Would it be nice to see all that Cas and Dean fluff?  Absolutely.  But when I see it, I want it to be believable and not stand out.  I want it to flow naturally and not be placed in there just for the sake of it.  Even if it means that there is a point in the story line where they don’t get to interact as much, like right now. The nice thing that the writers’ are doing for us right now is continuing to show that Cas cares about Dean.  That Dean is still always on his mind even if Dean can’t right now.  That’s the other reason I believe that they aren’t deviating from the Cas and Dean relationship.  (It’s also the reason I believe that Cas being canonically in love with Dean will be the first thing to come in their saga, but that’s a theory for another time) For now though, everything in the fandom is just speculation (including my own feelings and theories).   Season 10 finale is almost here so lets’ see what they give us!    :)

Ezekiel & Lucifer

I just had a terrible thought (comes with me being all hyper about the new season!)....  You know how that other angel couldn't recognize Ezekiel?  And how Ezekiel was "wounded" during the fall?

What if Ezekiel is actually Lucifer (and it was a newer angel who had never seen him before his fall... or maybe they can't fully recognize each other in their meat suits and without wings) cast from the cage and injured from constantly fighting with Michael all this time?  

And now he's possessed Sam again and wants to ruin Sam, Dean, and Cas's relationships with each other for revenge while he heals his wounds from his battles with Michael.  

Tells Dean to keep Cas out, makes Dean lie and be all secretive to Sam.  Then when they're at their lowest and apart from each other he's all like "BAM!  I'm Really Lucifer Guyz!!  Miss me?!" And some form of End!Verse ensues.

Completely not likely, but it would throw me for a loop!

Cas and Dean Sharing Heaven :)

So... if Cas gives up his grace in the finale and then dies, does he go to Heaven?  Since he’d be human at death, does that mean he has a soul? If so, wouldn’t that be a fun story arc for next season?  Cas is locked in his own personal Heaven because he’s too much of a wild card.  The angels want him to try and enjoy his personal Heaven.   Then Dean has one of his random deaths and ends up in Heaven and he sees Cas in there because they’re soul mates!  Dean asks why Cas’ Heaven is Purgatory and Cas just says because his Heaven is wherever Dean is!!!!  Then Cas breaks Dean out of Heaven and tells him he has to go back, his time isn’t up yet and does some badass shit to bust Dean out of Heaven. Sigh... Only in my dreams!

Spn Season 10 Finale

So, if Cas has to die in the season 10 finale can it at least be like this? Dean is rampaging again and is attacking Sam and Dean.  Dean has Sam down and cornered and Cas steps between them.  He says he won’t let Dean hurt Sam and he won’t let Dean hurt himself (because he knows that hurting Sam in the end would devastate Dean beyond repair).   He steps forward suddenly into Dean’s personal space and holds his arms tightly as he leans in, connecting their lips.  Dean is shocked for a second before he realizes what Cas is doing.  Cas is expelling his grace into Dean’s body and burning away the Mark of Cain and replacing it with the “Mark of Castiel”- the love of an angel.   Cas is now human and Dean is saved, but Rowena does her attack dog spell and Dean is forced to kill Cas.   Then we have Season 11 start off with Dean having some angely powers due to the MoCa  and we can complete Dean’s checklist of him being:  Human, Monster (brief stint as a vamp), Demon, Angel.  :P It won’t happen but lol  It’d be nice... and sad.

I always thought Supernatural missed the opportunity for making a truly beautiful series ending by not ending everything at the end of Season 5. Dean is possessed by Michael, Sam possessed by Lucifer. Dean breaks out of the hold because he wants to protect Sam, but knows how he would always have to kill him. Dean breaks Sam out of the hold and Dean kills the both of them while holding onto his baby brother and telling him ever6is going to be okay. They save the day with brotherly love and Castiel goes on to spread the Winchester Gospel.

But after Season 5 continued I knew that it would be hard to find a good ending to the show. It's never easy and while I haven't really watched the show in like 3 years I wanted to tune into the last one because I had loved this show for so long.

It wasn't a perfect episode and the amount of Olaf gifs that popped up after Dean was impaled had me rolling.

I'm glad that Sam got to grow old and have a son and live an actual apple pie life. I wish that we had seen whether or not he ended up with Eileen,, because I'm pretty sure she's alive and it just seems like he forgot about her.

I'm glad Dean got to be happy in the end, dying a hunter with Sam nearby, and living in a Heaven with all his loved ones. Driving Baby for how ever long he wants. I wish we had a montage of Dean meeting with everyone in Heaven before setting out on his roadtrip (would have been wonderful just to see the spn family in that context).

As much as I want Dean and Cas to be together forever, I kind of like this ending that Cas gets to be a good angel under Jack. It's kind of beautiful that he went on a journey from this stoic soldier to experience humanity and the gift of falling in love. I do wish we could have seen a reunion between Dean and Cas in Heaven. It wouldn't have even had to be destiel related, but just a friend checking in on another friend now that he is finally at peace (though I wouldn't oppose to more).

I love that Sam and Dean are reunited at the end and I love that we are given this perfect world with which there are no limits to what we can imagine for these characters after death. We were given a blank slate essentially to work with and I for one love and appreciate the gesture.

There I things I wish I had seen in the canon context of the show, but I had fun on the journey nonetheless. Thanks Supernatural for the 15 years of your time and effort!