Adding On To The Vent.

As a plural [questioning origin] who is new to the plural and system community in general, I wanna point out that from what we've seen being a system/plural is not really the whole thing with DID and other dissociative disorder like that, it's the trauma and being a system is more of an "add-on" (sorry for phrasing it like that).

So people saying they are PLURAL or a SYSTEM or whatever other word they prefer to use without trauma is not misdiagnosing themselves cause they aren't claiming to have DID or OSDD or other trauma based dissociative disorders without trauma. They are just saying that they have a similar thing to people with those disorders (I hope we are explaining this correctly).

So why are anti endos so obsessed with trying to call them fake or saying that they are doing that? If you just listen to them, you would learn more, and isn't that better? Don't traumagenic systems/plurals want to be listened to instead of being thought of badly from misinformation and bad representation and shit? So why aren't they doing that for endos?

I wouldn't usually jump into "discourse" or anything, but we felt like this needed to be said and understood. If you don't like this post, leave my account, go ahead, and block me. It will save everyone a ton of time.

- Lakey (They/it + blu/blue/blues/blues/blueself) & Shay (They/it) | almost always here as the host, lol

I think a big part of the reason that I went from anti-endo to endo-safe was absolutely due to how starkly different the communities felt.

Anti-endo communities were hard to engage with. Sure, some of them would focus on their support for each other more than their hatred of endogenic systems. And that's great! However, when you are brought together by your dislike of a certain group, you can't help but feel the hate permiate into so much of it. It always happened eventually. Anti-endo communities had such a focus on systems who were "fake" that I couldn't help but worry I was one of them, no matter how much they told me it was "just endos" they were concerned about.

The endo community (at least the parts I've engaged with and were easy to find) were so kind and respected me as a system, no matter how I felt or my plurality presented. Simply knowing we could find joy in our plurality allowed us to strive for so much more than we had thought possible before.

As a traumagenic system, we've improved so much with our symptoms and communication as a result of the positivity and acceptance we recieved. When we joined communities where we could be authenticallly ourselves (no matter what), we came together and faced so much less conflict between each other. And the conficts we did have, we realized that we could solve them together rather than alone.

When you are constantly doubting if you are "actually a system", you start to push the others away, and that made our dissociation and amnesia so much worse. I understand being careful of self-misdiangnosis, it can put you on the wrong path for how you learn to manage your symptoms. At the same time, the sentiment I often heard from endogenic systems when I was struggling with doubt and denial was very simple: "So what if you're not a system?" In short, it was okay to be wrong.

And that was huge for me. I realized that, no matter if I was a system or not, the techniques I used to improve ourselves and communicate with one another beneficial to me. At the end of the day, even if I wasn't a system after all, the skills I had found we invaluble to my health and well-being. So when I fall into denial spirals, no matter what I think about myself, I now know that I don't need to deprive myself of what has helped me, even if it is a "system thing." I don't feel scared to use these skills anymore (even in denial spirals), beacuse the line between what systems and non-systems or singlets can/can't do suddenly wasn't a big deal or a battle of "who can do what."

Our plurality is no longer a burden or a scar to us. It is simply who we are. We've learned so much about each other and ourselves since we've been accepted in full, and since we've learned to accept others. Endogenic communities have helped us (a traumagenic system) probably more than they'll ever know, and we're forever grateful for that.

So thank you, endogenic systems.

This is so true!!

We don't believe we have DID or OSDD, but we are plural, and it does seem like our trauma affected our plurality.

We won't argue with anyone trying to say that we actually have DID/OSDD. It doesn't even really matter to us that much whether we do or do not. All that really matters is that we are plural.

We have had our moments of thinking that our trauma wasn't "bad enough" and shit like that. So, this post definitely helps a bit.

Remember, comparing trauma is not good for anyone.

- Shay 🐾

"my trauma wasn't bad enough i can't be a system"

whenever I hear people say this I always wonder, what metric are you using? your tolerance for how things affect you now as a teenager, or adult?

something that you experienced as a child is going to use a completely different metric! a child's brain is much less developed than an adult's and what they're able to handle is much less. for instance maybe you like horror movies? you probably can watch them without even getting scared! but if you watched the same film at 7 years old it would likely be a lot different!!

you don't need extreme trauma in order to have DID. it just needed to be extreme enough to YOU as a child, that's all. You got bullied at school? that's enough to develop DID! you had a disorder from an early age that made life hard? that's enough to develop DID! your parents were neglectful? that's enough to develop DID!

there's no such thing as gold star DID you don't need to have gone through the worst of the worst. there's no need for trauma olympics, if you have DID you have DID and that's all!

We are kinda dumb rn.

What do you mean?

- Shay 🐾

[If there are any mistakes in spelling and grammar, only correct us if you are doing it constructively, please].

Do any beings know how to go about making a tail and/or ears with brushed off fur from a dog? Or where to find information about that kind of thing? (We have a husky, and we want to use some of his fur to make at least a tail and maybe ears as well).

We are thinking about using the start of a yarn tail to add the fur to it (we also need fur safe dye cause our dog's fur is white and ours should be a kind of dark brown). Would this work?

We wanna make a tail cause we aren't really able to properly find an ethical tail seller [we are disabled, we aren't gonna go more into it], and we have heard that fake fur tails aren't really that great. We might just end up making just a yarn tail if we can't find a way to use our dog's fur for it. [Are yarn tails good for the environment and stuff?]

- Shay 🐾

Us when we've been using these terms already and then find this, lol.

We don't really like using alter/headmate for any of us, and we were talking to one of our friends [who is also plural], and packmate was suggested as an alternative.

So we used packmate instead of alter/headmate and we use pack instead of system (we also use plural/plurality instead of system).

- Shay 🐾

Pack / Pack Mate

[PT: Pack / Pack Mate]

Aaa, a system member who prefers Pack/Pack Mate instead of alter/headmate(s); a term for when you use Pack/Pack Mate instead of alter/headmate(s).

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We'd love to hear more about median plurals.

Cause we are kinda wondering if we (Shay subpack) are a median subpack cause we are technically all parts of Shay.

We are different from our other packmates. They are distinct. They are their own beings in a way that we in the Shay subpack aren't.

We'd just love to hear more about median plurals and their experiences.

- Shay Subpack 🐾🪶🩵🖌

First poem to post, lol.

No tw or cw I can think of.

This poem is very dog related.

The formatting is different on here than it was on my notes app, so it might seem weird. Although it might have seemed weird anyway, lol.

You Taught Me/Bad Dog

You taught me to fight

Yet when I fight

You label me a

Bad dog

You taught me to bite

But when I bite

You call me a

Bad dog

You taught me to growl

Yet when I growl

You say I'm a

Bad dog

You taught me this

But when I listen

You declare me a

Bad dog

You taught me

Yet I listen and

You insist I'm a

Bad dog

You taught me

How to be a

Bad dog

While we get where you are coming from. It's a personal choice of whether a being wants to be referred to as a "person" or not.

Also about the aliens part, some wouldn't. Because to some "person/people" is human-centric.

We don't mind person/people to refer to most of us most of the time. But some of us do mind and some of us only mind sometimes. (This part might not make any sense, lol)

Once again, this is your own choice to be referred to as a person. But other beings might not like it. Honestly, just be respectful of others is our whole point here.

- Shay 🐾

This may just be me, but I don’t get alterhumans’ aversion to the term “people”.

Like, to me, personhood is not exclusive to humanity.

If sentient aliens came to our planet tomorrow, would we not consider them people?

Personhood to me is simply an effect of sentience.

If you can comprehend your own existence, you are a person.

Sure, that’s mostly humans, but I’m a dog who can comprehend my own existence, and I belive that makes me a person.

I am a nonhuman person, but a person nonetheless because I think, therefore I am

ShaySubpack birthdays in order:

Zuki - May 25th

Cyan - May 30th

Shay (the body) - May 31st

Akay - June 5th

- ShaySubpack 🐾

helloooo

could yall share a bit about your misceverse identity? does it influence insystem stuff?

also also for basic questions if its okay - what are yalls favorite sodas? :>

Hello!!!

First, for the basic question. We don't like sodas. But we do like lemonades, Hi-C drinks, and some other types of fountain drinks.

About my misce identity.

I am tridynamic with Alpha, Beta, and Omega with Beta as the highest dynamic. You can also see a bit more about my misce identity by using the tag "tri beta noises sfw" (or if we had any, you could also use the tag "tri beta noises nsfw" but we don't have any under that tag currently).

It kinda depends on what you mean by the insystem question.

- Cyan 🩵 | RWBY kin of Shay 🐾

I'm 19.

Reblog if you’re an Otherkin/Therian over 18.

And add you age to the tags, please.

I read somewhere in that otherkin is just a phase and that all of them are minors, and now I’m curious, how many of you folks are over 18?

Thanks.